28 Apr
2009
28 Apr
'09
2:09 p.m.
Hi Andrei,
On 04/28/2009 10:33 AM, Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul wrote:
I don't. We have special operators for checking if something is defined
or not. If you don't use it you want implicit conversion.
In almost all script languages, if a var is undefined then it's equal to
"".
OK, this could work also in SR. Let's decide whether or not we introduce
another operator for string comparisons ('eq'), or stick to '=='.
On Apr 28, 2009 at 09:53, Miklos Tirpak
<miklos(a)iptel.org> wrote:
Yes, I understand, but == was not an int operator in SER so far. So the
question is whether or not we want to change the script syntax, or shall
we keep the support for the current scripts.
On 04/27/2009 04:18 PM, Juha Heinanen wrote:
> Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul writes:
>
>> We could try some sane defaults (for if ($v)).
> yes, in case there are some.
>
>> For example that's what perl does:
>> undefined "" string 0 other integer
>>
>> $foo eq undef true true false false false
>> $foo == undef true true true true false
>>
>> $foo eq "" true true false false false
> if $foo is undefined, it is insane to me that it would be equal to empty
> string "" or 0. also comparing two undefined things should not result
> in true.
Actually if you think in terms of the operators it's not. The operators
forces conversion of its operands to the type it expects.
so for eq (which used for string): $foo eq undef is in fact
(str) $foo eq (str) undef , and (str) undef is "".
With undefined you have 2 options: either have valid conversion to
string and ints or bail out with an error. Since we cannot stop the
script or abort(), even if we report an error we still have to come up
with a result.
yes, this is really strange indeed. And
("abcd" == undef) is also true
according to the table.
Bear in mind, that == in this case (perl) is an int operator,
so "abcd" == undef is in fact (int) "abcd" == (int) undef and
(int) "abcd" is 0
(int) undef is 0
=> 0 == 0. what
would make sense to me is that comparing an undefined thing to
anything that is defined, would result in false.
I agree.
If you think some other behaviour is better, please fill all the table
and think also about normal operations, e.g. $v int+ $x, $v str+ $x.
Bear also in mind that we support 2 types: int and str. We don't
support bool (bool is int) so all logical expressions are evaluated to
int (so you cannot say bool("a") == true but int("a")==0).
Also think about how other scripting languages handle that.
What do you think about this? Undef is either 0 or "", and == is used
both for string and int.
undefined "" string 0 other integer
$foo == undef true true false true false
$foo == 0 true false false true false
(The right value is converted to the type of the left value if
necessary. So "0" == 0, but "" != 0.)
bool($foo) false false true false true
int($foo) 0 0/error I/error 0 I
str($foo) "" "" S "0"
"I"
0/error, and I/error means that the expression should be evaluated in
the 'if' conditions, and in the mathematical expressions slightly
differently:
if (0 == "") -> false, (0 == "0") would be true.
if (0 == "abcd") -> false
if (1 == "1") -> true
$v + "" -> $v -> I think we have no other choice.
$v + "abcd" -> $v
$v + "1" -> $v + 1
I do not whether or not it's close to any scripting language, feel free
to tell me if it's a complete mess. But I think it's closer to the
current SER script language at least.
Miklos
Andrei