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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: [Kamailio-Devel] poll: project name (Klaus Darilion)
  2. Re: poll: project name (Yazid Hadj Said)
  3. Re: poll: project name (Ardjan Zwartjes)
  4. Re: [Kamailio-Devel]  poll: project name (David Villasmil)
  5. Re: [Kamailio-Devel] poll: project name ( I?aki Baz Castillo )
  6. Re: poll: project name (Carsten Bock)
  7. Re: poll: project name (Alex Balashov)
  8. Re: poll: project name (Johansson Olle E)
  9. Re: [Kamailio-Devel] poll: project name (David Villasmil)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:39:29 +0200
From: Klaus Darilion <klaus.mailinglists@pernau.at>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] [Kamailio-Devel] poll: project name
To: miconda@gmail.com
Cc: users <users@lists.kamailio.net>, devel <devel@lists.kamailio.net>
Message-ID: <48A024F1.5030105@pernau.at>
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speaking as user:
1) Yes, I love it. Please keep it.

Daniel-Constantin Mierla schrieb:
> Hello everybody,
>
> some people expressed inconveniences regarding the new name, so we would
> like to get your opinion about, therefore this is a poll that will get
> us to a decision. Here is the question:
>
> Do you like the name "Kamailio"?
> 1) Yes, I love it. Please keep it.
> 2) It is OK.
> 3) I do not mind the name at all
> 4) I do not like it
> 5) I hate the name and we should change it
>
> There is no need of explanations, as it is up to personal taste and
> decision. Just vote by option.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> PS. for those interested...
>
> As short history about renaming story. On the 28th of March the board
> was informed about issues with SER part of project name. You can easily
> find who has the trademarks. On the 7th of April the board was informed
> about an agreement for the deadline as of September 30, 2008 to use old
> name. From there on, all old releases, documents, etc. can be referred
> by the old name, but nothing new. Other few discussions about what
> should/could be kept/changed followed and on 12th of May started the
> discussion about the new name with two main direction, something
> similar, to remind about old project or just something completely new,
> to be used as brand name. Couple of proposals and discussions regarding
> possible names followed up to 16th of July when was the deadline and the
> start of vote. Majority was reached on 17th but it was required to have
> opinions from all members of the board, last came from Bogdan, on the
> 28th of July.
>
> All discussions about migration were on the board mailing list. No
> change were done to openser.org configuration, just the new domain with
> kamailio in it was pointed to same server. Every step done was reported
> to board, following a schedule discussed there. Another discussion was
> about making the renaming and 1.4.0 release in same day. Being
> practically impossible to do all the work in one day, it was decided to
> do first the announcement about renaming. That happened on 28th when all
> agreed with the new name.
>
> As you can see, there was no 5 months of renaming duration. There was no
> change in openser.org DNS configuration undertaken with/without the
> knowledge of all board members. The new name domains were reserved when
> majority was achieved, in any case; dns entries for new name were
> pointed to old server shortly after booking the domains.
>



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:52:02 +0200
From: "Yazid Hadj Said" <yazid.hadjsaid@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] poll: project name
To: users@lists.kamailio.net
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Hi all,


>Do you like the name "Kamailio"?
>1) Yes, I love it. Please keep it.
>2) It is OK.
>3) I do not mind the name at all
>4) I do not like it
>5) I hate the name and we should change it

I do not like it.
I think that at least the word "Open"  must be included in the new name


Regards
Yazid
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:02:31 +0200
From: "Ardjan Zwartjes" <a.zwartjes@telecats.nl>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] poll: project name
To: "users" <users@lists.kamailio.net>
Cc: devel <devel@lists.kamailio.net>
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>I don't like the name. Not so good to pronounce :)

Does this actually mean that somebody knows how it's pronounced? ;) I am
quite curious about the correct pronounciation.

>Do you like the name "Kamailio"?
>1) Yes, I love it. Please keep it.
>2) It is OK.
>3) I do not mind the name at all
>4) I do not like it
>5) I hate the name and we should change it

That 4 for me, I don't think that the new name sounds very "mature",
which might hurt the image people have of this project (and
unfortunately in light of the current developments I don't think this
image needs more damage at the moment). But I'm not quite sure that
changing the name again would be a good idea either, after 1 name
change, a fork and several "heated" arguments on the mailing lists
(that's the most diplomatic and understated description I've ever made)
I think some stability for now would be best.

Kind regards,
Ardjan Zwartjes.



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:24:59 +0200
From: "David Villasmil" <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] [Kamailio-Devel]  poll: project name
To: "Ardjan Zwartjes" <a.zwartjes@telecats.nl>
Cc: users <users@lists.kamailio.net>, devel <devel@lists.kamailio.net>
Message-ID:
       <9853f4ff0808110524y23b41ec7p57c935b2d009953c@mail.gmail.com>
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5
should be something like

exsip.org

;)

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ardjan Zwartjes <a.zwartjes@telecats.nl>wrote:

>
> >I don't like the name. Not so good to pronounce :)
>
> Does this actually mean that somebody knows how it's pronounced? ;) I am
> quite curious about the correct pronounciation.
>
> >Do you like the name "Kamailio"?
> >1) Yes, I love it. Please keep it.
> >2) It is OK.
> >3) I do not mind the name at all
> >4) I do not like it
> >5) I hate the name and we should change it
>
> That 4 for me, I don't think that the new name sounds very "mature",
> which might hurt the image people have of this project (and
> unfortunately in light of the current developments I don't think this
> image needs more damage at the moment). But I'm not quite sure that
> changing the name again would be a good idea either, after 1 name
> change, a fork and several "heated" arguments on the mailing lists
> (that's the most diplomatic and understated description I've ever made)
> I think some stability for now would be best.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ardjan Zwartjes.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Devel mailing list
> Devel@lists.kamailio.org
> http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:32:54 +0200
From: " I?aki Baz Castillo " <ibc@aliax.net>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] [Kamailio-Devel] poll: project name
Cc: users <users@lists.kamailio.net>, devel <devel@lists.kamailio.net>
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2008/8/11, David Villasmil <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com>:
> 5
> should be something like
>
> exsip.org

Please, don't suggest names in the public maillist since anyone could
buy the domain ;)


--
I?aki Baz Castillo
<ibc@aliax.net>

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:34:38 +0200
From: Carsten Bock <lists@bock.info>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] poll: project name
To: miconda@gmail.com
Cc: users <users@lists.kamailio.net>, devel <devel@lists.kamailio.net>
Message-ID: <1218458078.7918.4.camel@carsten-desktop>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi,

i also take 4.
I mistyped the name several times... the old name (though not available
anymore) was much better to remember and more clear what the project was
about...

Carsten

Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 13:50 +0300 schrieb Daniel-Constantin Mierla:
> Hello everybody,
>
> some people expressed inconveniences regarding the new name, so we would
> like to get your opinion about, therefore this is a poll that will get
> us to a decision. Here is the question:
>
> Do you like the name "Kamailio"?
> 1) Yes, I love it. Please keep it.
> 2) It is OK.
> 3) I do not mind the name at all
> 4) I do not like it
> 5) I hate the name and we should change it
>
> There is no need of explanations, as it is up to personal taste and
> decision. Just vote by option.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> PS. for those interested...
>
> As short history about renaming story. On the 28th of March the board
> was informed about issues with SER part of project name. You can easily
> find who has the trademarks. On the 7th of April the board was informed
> about an agreement for the deadline as of September 30, 2008 to use old
> name. From there on, all old releases, documents, etc. can be referred
> by the old name, but nothing new. Other few discussions about what
> should/could be kept/changed followed and on 12th of May started the
> discussion about the new name with two main direction, something
> similar, to remind about old project or just something completely new,
> to be used as brand name. Couple of proposals and discussions regarding
> possible names followed up to 16th of July when was the deadline and the
> start of vote. Majority was reached on 17th but it was required to have
> opinions from all members of the board, last came from Bogdan, on the
> 28th of July.
>
> All discussions about migration were on the board mailing list. No
> change were done to openser.org configuration, just the new domain with
> kamailio in it was pointed to same server. Every step done was reported
> to board, following a schedule discussed there. Another discussion was
> about making the renaming and 1.4.0 release in same day. Being
> practically impossible to do all the work in one day, it was decided to
> do first the announcement about renaming. That happened on 28th when all
> agreed with the new name.
>
> As you can see, there was no 5 months of renaming duration. There was no
> change in openser.org DNS configuration undertaken with/without the
> knowledge of all board members. The new name domains were reserved when
> majority was achieved, in any case; dns entries for new name were
> pointed to old server shortly after booking the domains.
>




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:32:44 -0400
From: Alex Balashov <abalashov@evaristesys.com>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] poll: project name
To: miconda@gmail.com
Cc: users <users@lists.kamailio.net>, devel <devel@lists.kamailio.net>
Message-ID: <48A0316C.5030306@evaristesys.com>
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I have already expressed some of my thoughts on the choice of name in
times past, but at this point I'm going to go for option 3 - I don't
mind it.

Not because I truly feel the name befits the project, but simply as a
pragmatic recognition that considerable work has already been put into
changing the name to Kamailio by Daniel-Constantin, Elena-Ramona, Juha
Heinanen, Henning Westerholt, and others.  It would be a shame if their
valuable efforts were in vain.

What this project doesn't need is yet *another* name change;  that would
just seem downright capricious to outsiders not privy to the nuances.

Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> some people expressed inconveniences regarding the new name, so we would
> like to get your opinion about, therefore this is a poll that will get
> us to a decision. Here is the question:
>
> Do you like the name "Kamailio"?
> 1) Yes, I love it. Please keep it.
> 2) It is OK.
> 3) I do not mind the name at all
> 4) I do not like it
> 5) I hate the name and we should change it


--
Alex Balashov
Evariste Systems
Web    : http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel    : (+1) (678) 954-0670
Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671
Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:37:56 +0200
From: Johansson Olle E <oej@edvina.net>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] poll: project name
To: miconda@gmail.com
Cc: users <users@lists.kamailio.net>, devel <devel@lists.kamailio.net>
Message-ID: <C4394C1B-CCE9-439B-BEA3-C9F01D480859@edvina.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


11 aug 2008 kl. 12.50 skrev Daniel-Constantin Mierla:

> Hello everybody,
>
> some people expressed inconveniences regarding the new name, so we
> would
> like to get your opinion about, therefore this is a poll that will get
> us to a decision. Here is the question:
>
> Do you like the name "Kamailio"?
> 1) Yes, I love it. Please keep it.
> 2) It is OK.
> 3) I do not mind the name at all
> 4) I do not like it

I'll go with 2. Hard to say that I love it ... yet. A name is
something we create and fill
with meaning. This one's free, available and weird enough to be
remembered.
It's very hard to come up with those names.

/O
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:42:37 +0200
From: "David Villasmil" <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Kamailio-Users] [Kamailio-Devel] poll: project name
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Sorry about that... didn't think people belonging to this list would be such
vultures! ;-)

David

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:32 PM, I?aki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

> 2008/8/11, David Villasmil <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com>:
> > 5
> > should be something like
> >
> > exsip.org
>
> Please, don't suggest names in the public maillist since anyone could
> buy the domain ;)
>
>
> --
> I?aki Baz Castillo
> <ibc@aliax.net>
> _______________________________________________
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