14 Feb
2004
14 Feb
'04
3:18 a.m.
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online..
I can send messages from the web to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but
I cant get the who's online to work.
+ Atle
16 Feb
16 Feb
12:52 p.m.
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN
messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online..
I can send messages from the web to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but
I cant get the who's online to work.
+ Atle
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
1:17 p.m.
Ok.
Is it possible to make an implimention that updates the buddy list , I
dont know anything about how it works with msn, so Im just asking..
+ Atle
* Jan Janak <jan(a)iptel.org> [040216 11:54]:
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the
other side uses MSN
messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online..
I can send messages from the web to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but
I cant get the who's online to work.
+ Atle
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
1:29 p.m.
I don't think so.
Jan.
On 16-02 12:17, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Ok.
Is it possible to make an implimention that updates the buddy list , I
dont know anything about how it works with msn, so Im just asking..
+ Atle
* Jan Janak <jan(a)iptel.org> [040216 11:54]:
> I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN
> messenger as well.
>
> Jan.
>
> On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist in MSN to
> > work ? so you can see who's online..
> > I can send messages from the web to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but
> > I cant get the who's online to work.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > + Atle
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Serusers mailing list
> > serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
> > http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
>
1:33 p.m.
New subject: AW: [Serusers] MSN ...
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the MS protocol and
XML-language?
Can't be too hard, can it?
Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in and out. And
if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you can always
reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: serusers-bounces(a)lists.iptel.org
[mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak
Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53
An: Atle Samuelsen
Cc: serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other
side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can
send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant
get the
who's online to
work.
+ Atle
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
1:33 p.m.
Why would anyone do so ? Newer versions are incompatible with other UAs
anyway.
Jan.
On 16-02 12:33, Harry Behrens wrote:
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the
MS protocol and
XML-language?
Can't be too hard, can it?
Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in and out. And
if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you can always
reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: serusers-bounces(a)lists.iptel.org
[mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak
Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53
An: Atle Samuelsen
Cc: serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other
side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can
send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant
get the
who's online to
work.
+ Atle
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
2:12 p.m.
New subject: AW: [Serusers] MSN ...
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: 'Jan Janak' [mailto:jan@iptel.org]
Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 12:33
An: Harry Behrens
Cc: 'Atle Samuelsen'; serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
Why would anyone do so ? Newer versions are incompatible with
other UAs anyway.
Because interoperability with MS is an important issue, that`s why.
Whether they are compatible to RFCXXXX is secondary, MS-compatible is -
whether one likes it or not - just as important as standard-compliance.
And like Atle says, people have done it before in the IM world - out of
exactly those reasons.
In case anybody is interested in actually doing this, we could probably
contribute to some degree. We always have requests for
precisely this interoperability - as has this mailing list.
One has to be pragmatic in designing a product - rather than just being
"right",
Harry
Jan.
On 16-02 12:33, Harry Behrens wrote:
what would prevent anyone to just
reverse-engineer the MS
protocol and
XML-language? Can't be too hard, can it?
Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in
and out. And
if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black
box, you
can always
reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: serusers-bounces(a)lists.iptel.org
> [mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53
> An: Atle Samuelsen
> Cc: serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
> Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
>
>
> I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other
> side uses MSN messenger as well.
>
> Jan.
>
> On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
> in MSN to
> > work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages
> from the web
> > to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the
> who's online to
> > work.
http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
>
>
>
>
> > + Atle
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Serusers mailing list
> > serusers(a)lists.iptel.org >
>
_______________________________________________
Serusers
mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
3:45 p.m.
On 16-02 13:12, Harry Behrens wrote:
Because interoperability with MS is an important
issue, that`s why.
Whether they are compatible to RFCXXXX is secondary, MS-compatible is -
whether one likes it or not - just as important as standard-compliance.
With this kind of attitude we would end up with MSSIP which would be
incompatible with everything else, even different versions of their
software. Is that what you want ?
Just try to send an IM from WM 5.0 to WM 4.7.
I have no problem with extending ser to support their extensions as
long as:
1) It does not affect the standard compliance and interoperability of
SER.
2) Someone else is going to implement it and will take care of it.
And like Atle says, people have done it before in the
IM world - out of
exactly those reasons.
In case anybody is interested in actually doing this, we could probably
contribute to some degree. We always have requests for
precisely this interoperability - as has this mailing list.
As I said, somebody else would have to contribute this.
One has to be pragmatic in designing a product -
rather than just being
"right",
One has to be pragmatic and resist the temptation to blindly implement
proprietary extensions of one big vendor who will sooner or later
change his implementation anyway.
Jan.
1:35 p.m.
hm. There's been alot of ppl who's done this before.. (like centericq.de
etc)
Maybe they have a solution on it
+ Atle
* Harry Behrens <harry.behrens(a)snom.de> [040216 12:32]:
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the
MS protocol and
XML-language?
Can't be too hard, can it?
Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in and out. And
if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you can always
reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: serusers-bounces(a)lists.iptel.org
[mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak
Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53
An: Atle Samuelsen
Cc: serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other
side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can
send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant
get the
who's online to
work.
+ Atle
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
7:11 p.m.
New subject: AW: [Serusers] MSN ...
We are happy to delivery whatever looks like SIP with SER.
The problem is however the other end which does not understand
the MS-originated proprietary stuff delivered to it.
So if you wished to establish interconnection between proprietary
MS's IM and standard-compliant IM based on SIMPLE, you would have
to build a session-stateful gateway. Doing so would get you on
very slippery slope and you would have to rewrite it any time
the proprietary extensions change. That's in my opinion not
a good interoperation strategy.
-jiri
At 12:33 PM 2/16/2004, Harry Behrens wrote:
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the
MS protocol and
XML-language?
Can't be too hard, can it?
Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in and out. And
if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you can always
reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
--
Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: serusers-bounces(a)lists.iptel.org
[mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak
Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53
An: Atle Samuelsen
Cc: serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other
side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can
send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant
get the
who's online to
work.
+ Atle
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
_______________________________________________
Serusers mailing list
serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
7586
days inactive
7588
days old
9 comments
5 participants
participants (5)
-
'Jan Janak' -
Atle Samuelsen -
Harry Behrens -
Jan Janak
-
Jiri Kuthan