29 Jul
2008
29 Jul
'08
1:44 a.m.
Hello to all the members.
As user of the project and responsible of an implementation of it in a
production large scale environment. it is a little bit worrying reade terms
as "conflicting interests" related to project in the news published today.
According to this new change within the project, which I feel go further
than renaming it, what could the board members to comment about the RoadMap,
philosophy and near future of Kamailio (Formerly known as OpenSER)?
One of the biggest warranties that users have felt ourselves is exactly the
support and knowledge from the founders and leaders, and it would be very
worrying not been able to count with it anymore.
Thanks in advance for your attention, and I apologize in advance if this
question is out off topic.
Best regards.
Sergio Gutiérrez.
29 Jul
29 Jul
2:19 a.m.
I understand the possible need for a name change, but find it a little
tragic in light of the fact that in my opinion, OpenSER as a namesake
was just starting to gain brand recognition and marketing traction that
could be used to further the activities of those of us who specialise in
deploying it, or selling solutions based on it.
It's like Ethereal/Wireshark; it was years before everyone could
finally stop saying "Wireshark (formerly Ethereal)." It's going to be
the same with OpenSER.
Sergio Gutierrez wrote:
Hello to all the members.
As user of the project and responsible of an implementation of it in a
production large scale environment. it is a little bit worrying reade
terms as "conflicting interests" related to project in the news
published today.
According to this new change within the project, which I feel go further
than renaming it, what could the board members to comment about the
RoadMap, philosophy and near future of Kamailio (Formerly known as
OpenSER)?
One of the biggest warranties that users have felt ourselves is exactly
the support and knowledge from the founders and leaders, and it would be
very worrying not been able to count with it anymore.
Thanks in advance for your attention, and I apologize in advance if this
question is out off topic.
Best regards.
Sergio Gutiérrez.
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3:09 a.m.
On 07/28/08 19:19, Alex Balashov wrote:
I understand the possible need for a name change, but
find it a little
tragic in light of the fact that in my opinion, OpenSER as a namesake
was just starting to gain brand recognition and marketing traction that
could be used to further the activities of those of us who specialise in
deploying it, or selling solutions based on it.
Everyone agrees that openser was becoming an important brand and we
believe it could be the main reason we got targeted for name conflicts
and trademarks. In such situation is hard to take a decision in a way or
another. The one with the lowest financial and resources investment
seemed to be renaming.
Things like this happened recently with Gaim which became Pidgin, Zaptel
drivers which became DAHDI. Such situation looks like being inevitable.
To avoid any suppositions, this situation has nothing to do with the old
project, from where openser forked some time ago.
The companies and developers around the project will continue to support
and develop the project as before. The new major release will be with
the new name and version 1.4.0 -- simply is just a renaming, no other
changes.
Cheers,
Daniel
Signing now: Co-Founder Kamailio (formerly OpenSER) :-)
It's like Ethereal/Wireshark; it was years before
everyone could
finally stop saying "Wireshark (formerly Ethereal)." It's going to be
the same with OpenSER.
Sergio Gutierrez wrote:
--
Daniel-Constantin Mierla
http://www.asipto.com
Hello to all the members.
As user of the project and responsible of an implementation of it in a
production large scale environment. it is a little bit worrying reade
terms as "conflicting interests" related to project in the news
published today.
According to this new change within the project, which I feel go further
than renaming it, what could the board members to comment about the
RoadMap, philosophy and near future of Kamailio (Formerly known as
OpenSER)?
One of the biggest warranties that users have felt ourselves is exactly
the support and knowledge from the founders and leaders, and it would be
very worrying not been able to count with it anymore.
Thanks in advance for your attention, and I apologize in advance if this
question is out off topic.
Best regards.
Sergio Gutiérrez.
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3:45 a.m.
Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Everyone agrees that openser was becoming an important
brand and we
believe it could be the main reason we got targeted for name conflicts
and trademarks. In such situation is hard to take a decision in a way or
another. The one with the lowest financial and resources investment
seemed to be renaming.
This is definitely understandable. To be clear, I was not questioning
the rationale, and I don't think it serves the project well to engage in
a large-scale panic referendum on this move in light of that.
Personally, from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, I am not sure that
"Kamailio" was the best choice for a replacement name. It is hard to
remember to spell and sounds overly exotic, in stark contrast to the
no-nonsense technical professionalism and humourless objectivity
commanded by a word like "OpenSER." Kamailio sounds more like
something full of non-genetically modified soy, maybe with some goat
cheese, organic, vegan, and Silicon Valley / "VoIP 2.0" - sort of like
the "Yate" B2BUA. I think it's more likely that staunchly conservative
telco executives are going to gloss over something like that than
something more imposing and Anglo-accessible.
But that's just one person's impression. At any rate, it does not
change the fact that the nomenclature change was necessary. It's just
nomenclature, after all; I don't like "Alex" all that much either, but
hopefully it does not do much to summarise the content of my
individuality to others in a professional setting or otherwise. :)
I know that I ran into name issues with OpenSER on a number of
occasions. One, everyone got it confused with IPTel's SER and wanted to
know the difference, and two, there is a vendor of expensive predictive
dialing/telemarketing hardware called SER. In the rather unlikely event
that you end up doing work for an IT-centric mortgage company in the US,
as I did, these two worlds somehow converge. :)
The companies and developers around the project will
continue to support
and develop the project as before. The new major release will be with
the new name and version 1.4.0 -- simply is just a renaming, no other
changes.
That is an enormous relief to hear authoritatively!
Best of luck, and long live Kamailio.
-- Alex
--
Alex Balashov
Evariste Systems
Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670
Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671
Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599
3:59 a.m.
On Monday 28 July 2008, Alex Balashov wrote:
[..]
Personally, from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, I am not sure that
"Kamailio" was the best choice for a replacement name. It is hard to
remember to spell and sounds overly exotic, in stark contrast to the
no-nonsense technical professionalism and humourless objectivity
commanded by a word like "OpenSER." Kamailio sounds more like
something full of non-genetically modified soy, maybe with some goat
cheese, organic, vegan, and Silicon Valley / "VoIP 2.0" - sort of like
the "Yate" B2BUA. I think it's more likely that staunchly conservative
telco executives are going to gloss over something like that than
something more imposing and Anglo-accessible.
Hi Alex,
nice associations. :-) In constrast to the old one is the new name probably
really exotic. But its surprisingly hard to find a name with free domains,
that lacks trademarks and so on. And after all, if you look at "akamai", then
hawaian words are not that rare in the telco world..
The companies and developers around the project will
continue to support
and develop the project as before. The new major release will be with
the new name and version 1.4.0 -- simply is just a renaming, no other
changes.
Henning
--
Henning Westerholt - Development Consumer Products / DSL Core
Core developer Kamailio project (formerly known as OpenSER)
1&1 Internet AG, Ernst-Frey-Str. 9, 76135 Karlsruhe, Germany
4:45 a.m.
On Mon, July 28, 2008 1:59 pm, Henning Westerholt wrote:
nice associations. :-) In constrast to the old one is
the new name
probably really exotic. But its surprisingly hard to find a name
with free domains, that lacks trademarks and so on.
This is very true. Even when things aren't gobbled up as trade names,
domains tend to be viciously hoarded.
And after all, if you look at "akamai",
then hawaian words are not that rare in the telco world..
True, but Akamai is a "web economy"-oriented company. These kinds of
names are more kosher in hyper-caffinated, Hawaiian shirt-wearing
Silicon Valley "Web 2.0" market spaces. Eccentric, eclectic and
unusual-sounding names derived from foreign words, including from
African and far Eastern or Pacific indigenous languages or locales,
have grown to be accepted and fashionable in the web startup world.
The telecom world, on the other hand, is mostly full of polished,
slicked-back, surly (or alternately, oily) conservative types in the
executive and managerial corps, generally of the 40+ age demographic.
Their lexicon and buzzword bingo formula is very different -- one into
which "OpenSER" fits quite nicely.
-- Alex
--
Alex Balashov
Evariste Systems
Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670
Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671
Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599
5:21 a.m.
See also "wiki" for another cool Hawaiian word.
Alex Balashov wrote:
On Mon, July 28, 2008 1:59 pm, Henning Westerholt
wrote:
nice associations. :-) In constrast to the old
one is the new name
probably really exotic. But its surprisingly hard to find a name
with free domains, that lacks trademarks and so on.
This is very true. Even when things aren't gobbled up as trade names,
domains tend to be viciously hoarded.
And after all, if you look at
"akamai",
then hawaian words are not that rare in the telco world..
True, but Akamai is a "web economy"-oriented company. These kinds of
names are more kosher in hyper-caffinated, Hawaiian shirt-wearing
Silicon Valley "Web 2.0" market spaces. Eccentric, eclectic and
unusual-sounding names derived from foreign words, including from
African and far Eastern or Pacific indigenous languages or locales,
have grown to be accepted and fashionable in the web startup world.
The telecom world, on the other hand, is mostly full of polished,
slicked-back, surly (or alternately, oily) conservative types in the
executive and managerial corps, generally of the 40+ age demographic.
Their lexicon and buzzword bingo formula is very different -- one into
which "OpenSER" fits quite nicely.
-- Alex
4:31 a.m.
Hey, it's an <A
HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akamai">akamai</A>
name:-) I only wish I could pronounce it.
/a
Alex Balashov wrote:
Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Everyone agrees that openser was becoming an
important brand and we
believe it could be the main reason we got targeted for name conflicts
and trademarks. In such situation is hard to take a decision in a way or
another. The one with the lowest financial and resources investment
seemed to be renaming.
This is definitely understandable. To be clear, I was not questioning
the rationale, and I don't think it serves the project well to engage in
a large-scale panic referendum on this move in light of that.
Personally, from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, I am not sure that
"Kamailio" was the best choice for a replacement name. It is hard to
remember to spell and sounds overly exotic, in stark contrast to the
no-nonsense technical professionalism and humourless objectivity
commanded by a word like "OpenSER." Kamailio sounds more like
something full of non-genetically modified soy, maybe with some goat
cheese, organic, vegan, and Silicon Valley / "VoIP 2.0" - sort of like
the "Yate" B2BUA. I think it's more likely that staunchly conservative
telco executives are going to gloss over something like that than
something more imposing and Anglo-accessible.
But that's just one person's impression. At any rate, it does not
change the fact that the nomenclature change was necessary. It's just
nomenclature, after all; I don't like "Alex" all that much either, but
hopefully it does not do much to summarise the content of my
individuality to others in a professional setting or otherwise. :)
I know that I ran into name issues with OpenSER on a number of
occasions. One, everyone got it confused with IPTel's SER and wanted to
know the difference, and two, there is a vendor of expensive predictive
dialing/telemarketing hardware called SER. In the rather unlikely event
that you end up doing work for an IT-centric mortgage company in the US,
as I did, these two worlds somehow converge. :)
The companies and developers around the project
will continue to support
and develop the project as before. The new major release will be with
the new name and version 1.4.0 -- simply is just a renaming, no other
changes.
That is an enormous relief to hear authoritatively!
Best of luck, and long live Kamailio.
-- Alex
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