when using Cisco for billing and teardown, how do you over come the limitation of hairpinning Voip leg to Voip leg call on a cisco router if your are not connected to a PSTN network and you have to terminate on someone else gateway? Thanks Mohamed. */Alistair Cunningham &lt;acunningham(a)integrics.com&gt;/* wrote: Matt, Because SER handles SIP messages, not RTP streams, it cannot 100% accurately record CDRs. For instance, if the BYE message is lost because a client crashed, SER has no way of knowing when the call ended or how much it cost. A BTBUA gets round this problem by having the RTP packets come to it, so if a client crashes, the RTP stream stops and the BTBUA knows the call has finished. The disadvantage of a BTBUA is that it adds latency and doesn't scale well, because it needs to handle all the RTP traffic. I install quite a few SER and Asterisk systems for my customers, and a fix for this issue is the most frequent item I'm asked for. It's unavoidable, however, if one wants SER's scalability. What I usually recommend for them is to install a SER system (for scalability, registrations, routing of calls that don't need a CDR, etc) fronting multiple BTBUAs such as Asterisk or Cisco (for accurate billing of PSTN calls). Alistair Cunningham, Integrics Ltd, Telephony, Database, Unix consulting worldwide +44 (0)7870 699 479 http://integrics.com/ matt morris wrote: able to http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&D… the _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list serusers(a)lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Post your free ad now! *Yahoo! Canada Personals* <http://ca.personals.yahoo.com/>