4 Nov
2008
4 Nov
'08
9:45 a.m.
Hello Everybody,
We are pleased to announce to you the SIP Router project.
It aims to build a solid open source SIP routing platform, based on
collaboration of the SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) teams.
Developers of these two projects believe that an united and
non-conflicting environment will bring many benefits to them, community
members and companies:
* bring together the developers and user communities of both projects
* reduce maintenance overhead
* avoid duplicated efforts in development
* develop a core framework that is flexible, extensible and scalable
* promote and build a solid open source SIP server project
* ensure business credibility
* make future forking undesirable, this harms everybody, affects
credibility and business
You are welcome to join! Visit the web site at:
http://sip-router.org
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov 10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
We hope this is a great news for you, thanks to the effort of main
developers and management teams of the two projects. We invite you to
join the new mailing list for further discussions:
http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-dev
Daniel, Jiri
Kamailio Management Team
SER Management Team
4 Nov
4 Nov
9:52 a.m.
That's great, the fork is away after a long time.
Sounds very good for me and probably for the community.
A happy Ser user
Olivier
Daniel-Constantin Mierla a écrit :
Hello Everybody,
We are pleased to announce to you the SIP Router project.
It aims to build a solid open source SIP routing platform, based on
collaboration of the SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) teams.
Developers of these two projects believe that an united and
non-conflicting environment will bring many benefits to them, community
members and companies:
* bring together the developers and user communities of both projects
* reduce maintenance overhead
* avoid duplicated efforts in development
* develop a core framework that is flexible, extensible and scalable
* promote and build a solid open source SIP server project
* ensure business credibility
* make future forking undesirable, this harms everybody, affects
credibility and business
You are welcome to join! Visit the web site at:
http://sip-router.org
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov 10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
We hope this is a great news for you, thanks to the effort of main
developers and management teams of the two projects. We invite you to
join the new mailing list for further discussions:
http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-dev
Daniel, Jiri
Kamailio Management Team
SER Management Team
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9:52 a.m.
That's great, the fork is away after a long time.
Sounds very good for me and probably for the community.
A happy Ser user
Olivier
Daniel-Constantin Mierla a écrit :
Hello Everybody,
We are pleased to announce to you the SIP Router project.
It aims to build a solid open source SIP routing platform, based on
collaboration of the SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) teams.
Developers of these two projects believe that an united and
non-conflicting environment will bring many benefits to them, community
members and companies:
* bring together the developers and user communities of both projects
* reduce maintenance overhead
* avoid duplicated efforts in development
* develop a core framework that is flexible, extensible and scalable
* promote and build a solid open source SIP server project
* ensure business credibility
* make future forking undesirable, this harms everybody, affects
credibility and business
You are welcome to join! Visit the web site at:
http://sip-router.org
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov 10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
We hope this is a great news for you, thanks to the effort of main
developers and management teams of the two projects. We invite you to
join the new mailing list for further discussions:
http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-dev
Daniel, Jiri
Kamailio Management Team
SER Management Team
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users(a)lists.kamailio.org
http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
10:25 a.m.
Great to hear these news . Unity is much better.
Regards
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:52 AM, hh174 <olivier(a)hh174.be> wrote:
That's great, the fork is away after a long time.
Sounds very good for me and probably for the community.
A happy Ser user
Olivier
Daniel-Constantin Mierla a écrit :
Hello Everybody,
We are pleased to announce to you the SIP Router project.
It aims to build a solid open source SIP routing platform, based on
collaboration of the SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER)
teams.
Developers of these two projects believe that an united and
non-conflicting environment will bring many benefits to them, community
members and companies:
* bring together the developers and user communities of both projects
* reduce maintenance overhead
* avoid duplicated efforts in development
* develop a core framework that is flexible, extensible and scalable
* promote and build a solid open source SIP server project
* ensure business credibility
* make future forking undesirable, this harms everybody, affects
credibility and business
You are welcome to join! Visit the web site at:
http://sip-router.org
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov 10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
We hope this is a great news for you, thanks to the effort of main
developers and management teams of the two projects. We invite you to
join the new mailing list for further discussions:
http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-dev
Daniel, Jiri
Kamailio Management Team
SER Management Team
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users(a)lists.kamailio.org
http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
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10:41 a.m.
Congratulations to both projects!
I think this is very beneificial for both communities as well as for
all the companies out there using the two products.
I am very happy with this result and hope that the third kid in the
SER family - OpenSIPS - will consider joining the effort too.
Best regards,
/Olle
5:24 p.m.
Hi Olle,
Thank you for your thoughts. On a first view, it looks interesting, but I'm missing
some points here (important points):
1) as OpenSER was forked from SER because different views (and the OpenSER view proved to
be a very popular and successful one), I wonder
why, Kamilio is getting back to SER? not sharing any more the OpenSER view as claimed?
because such merging will definitely have a great
impact on the dynamical and openness of the projects (like releases, contributions,
driving the project)
2) this major change of perspective (at least for kamilio) was a backstage decision, kept
secret from the community - shouldn't be in the
interest of the community to say if going back to the roots (merging into SER) is
something wanted or not? it somehow contradicts the self
existence of OpenSER, right?
3) the benefits you mentions are mainly optimization of the internal project activities
and not optimizations of the outcome - what the
project will deliver. And I guess this is the most important. We already went though the
experience of large devel community, frameworks, etc but with no outcome for more than 2
years...
From my personal perspective, the new project looks
more like SER absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to have an open source
project (a standalone one), far away from the "control" of any Big Brother ;)
Regards,
Bogdan
Johansson Olle E wrote:
Congratulations to both projects!
I think this is very beneificial for both communities as well as for
all the companies out there using the two products.
I am very happy with this result and hope that the third kid in the
SER family - OpenSIPS - will consider joining the effort too.
Best regards,
/Olle
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5:46 p.m.
4 nov 2008 kl. 16.24 skrev Bogdan-Andrei Iancu:
Hi Olle,
Thank you for your thoughts. On a first view, it looks interesting,
but I'm missing some points here (important points):
1) as OpenSER was forked from SER because different views (and the
OpenSER view proved to be a very popular and successful one), I
wonder why, Kamilio is getting back to SER? not sharing any more the
OpenSER view as claimed? because such merging will definitely have a
great impact on the dynamical and openness of the projects (like
releases, contributions, driving the project)
2) this major change of perspective (at least for kamilio) was a
backstage decision, kept secret from the community - shouldn't be in
the interest of the community to say if going back to the roots
(merging into SER) is something wanted or not? it somehow
contradicts the self existence of OpenSER, right?
3) the benefits you mentions are mainly optimization of the internal
project activities and not optimizations of the outcome - what the
project will deliver. And I guess this is the most important. We
already went though the experience of large devel community,
frameworks, etc but with no outcome for more than 2 years...
Bogdan,
Thanks for your feedback, which clearly indicates where you stand
today. We will have to see what the community says, but so far, I've
only seen cheers and applauds.
How this will work out in the future is something no one really can
guess at this point. The more people that joins this effort and forms
it, the better. The time to make it right is now, by working together
and aligning the codebases as described, then working towards the
future with new releases.
We'll see if the combined forces can produce any deliverys or not.
Today, we can only hope and guess.
I think it's a great starting point that they have started talking,
and agreed to work together on some parts. To me, it seems to be room
for two final products stil, sharing the same core. One Kamailio and
one SER.
After the developer meetings, I think it's time to call for a joint
community meeting to have people active in the community - not only
developers - in the same room, discussing benefits of working together.
I don't want to argue your standpoint, just hope that you will follow
the progress and see if there's some benefits for OpenSIPS to join at
some stage. Regardless, the GPL license allows you to benefit from the
work as always.
I might be naive, but I do have a positive feeling about this :-)
/O
From my personal perspective, the new project
looks more like SER
absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the
resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to
have an open source project (a standalone one), far away from the
"control" of any Big Brother ;) 
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On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:46 +0100, Johansson Olle E wrote:
4 nov 2008 kl. 16.24 skrev Bogdan-Andrei Iancu:
Hi Olle,
Thank you for your thoughts. On a first view, it looks
interesting,
but I'm missing some points here (important
points):
1) as OpenSER was forked from SER because different views (and the
OpenSER view proved to be a very popular and successful one), I
wonder why, Kamilio is getting back to SER? not sharing any more
the
OpenSER view as claimed? because such merging
will definitely have
a
great impact on the dynamical and openness of
the projects (like
releases, contributions, driving the project)
2) this major change of perspective (at least for kamilio) was a
backstage decision, kept secret from the community - shouldn't be
in
the interest of the community to say if going
back to the roots
(merging into SER) is something wanted or not? it somehow
contradicts the self existence of OpenSER, right?
3) the benefits you mentions are mainly optimization of the
internal
project activities and not optimizations of the
outcome - what the
project will deliver. And I guess this is the most important. We
already went though the experience of large devel community,
frameworks, etc but with no outcome for more than 2 years...
Bogdan,
Thanks for your feedback, which clearly indicates where you stand
today. We will have to see what the community says, but so far, I've
only seen cheers and applauds.
How this will work out in the future is something no one really can
guess at this point. The more people that joins this effort and
forms
it, the better. The time to make it right is now, by working
together
and aligning the codebases as described, then working towards the
future with new releases.
We'll see if the combined forces can produce any deliverys or not.
Today, we can only hope and guess.
I think it's a great starting point that they have started talking,
and agreed to work together on some parts. To me, it seems to be
room
for two final products stil, sharing the same core. One Kamailio and
one SER.
After the developer meetings, I think it's time to call for a joint
community meeting to have people active in the community - not only
developers - in the same room, discussing benefits of working
together.
I don't want to argue your standpoint, just hope that you will
follow
the progress and see if there's some benefits for OpenSIPS to join
at
some stage. Regardless, the GPL license allows you to benefit from
the
work as always.
I might be naive, but I do have a positive feeling about this :-)
/O
_______________________________________________
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Serusers(a)lists.iptel.org
http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers From my personal perspective, the new project
looks more like SER
absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the
resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to
have an open source project (a standalone one), far away from the
"control" of any Big Brother ;) 
6:53 p.m.
Olle,
I agree that merging Kamailio into SER is a good move, but experience
taught me that the first impression is not all the time relevant.
OpenSER project was not well received at the begining, but after some
time, people were happy about it. Same with OpenSIPS - people failed to
understand from the first minute the idea behind, but they did and they
are happy.
But let's see the future deliverables and then decide.
For the moment there is too much noise - politics, discussions,
re-organizing, hot topics, etc - but few results (on technical side).
Thanks and regards,
Bogdan
Johansson Olle E wrote:
Bogdan,
Thanks for your feedback, which clearly indicates where you stand
today. We will have to see what the community says, but so far, I've
only seen cheers and applauds.
How this will work out in the future is something no one really can
guess at this point. The more people that joins this effort and forms
it, the better. The time to make it right is now, by working together
and aligning the codebases as described, then working towards the
future with new releases.
We'll see if the combined forces can produce any deliverys or not.
Today, we can only hope and guess.
I think it's a great starting point that they have started talking,
and agreed to work together on some parts. To me, it seems to be room
for two final products stil, sharing the same core. One Kamailio and
one SER.
After the developer meetings, I think it's time to call for a joint
community meeting to have people active in the community - not only
developers - in the same room, discussing benefits of working together.
I don't want to argue your standpoint, just hope that you will follow
the progress and see if there's some benefits for OpenSIPS to join at
some stage. Regardless, the GPL license allows you to benefit from the
work as always.
I might be naive, but I do have a positive feeling about this :-)
/O
From my personal perspective, the new project looks
more like SER
absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the
resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to
have an open source project (a standalone one), far away from the
"control" of any Big Brother ;) 
7:28 p.m.
Thank you Olle,
I think your positive note is very encouraging.
I'm similarly concerned about the actual outcome -- planning and striving
for it is one thing, executing it yet another thing on our busy to-do-lists.
Nevertheless the willingness to work hard on it is very tangible
and I really consider it realistic. And I'm willing to bet on its
success too :)
I would very much discount conspiracy, absorption and other discouraging
and ungrounded concerns. In fact, if there is something which appears hard
to follow, why Bogdan forked off SER with many strong arguments to openser,
and now forked off from his openser to opensips with arguments remarkably
similar to the former.
"Serial forking" is not the kind of business I'm interested here at all.
In fact, I think forking is a VERY BAD THING to do and I'm very strongly
opposed to attempts discouraging unforking and encouraging other forks.
More funded opinions than mine can be for example found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29
Therefore thanks again to anyone putting effort on unforking!
-jiri
Johansson Olle E wrote:
4 nov 2008 kl. 16.24 skrev Bogdan-Andrei Iancu:
Hi Olle,
Thank you for your thoughts. On a first view, it looks interesting,
but I'm missing some points here (important points):
1) as OpenSER was forked from SER because different views (and the
OpenSER view proved to be a very popular and successful one), I
wonder why, Kamilio is getting back to SER? not sharing any more the
OpenSER view as claimed? because such merging will definitely have a
great impact on the dynamical and openness of the projects (like
releases, contributions, driving the project)
2) this major change of perspective (at least for kamilio) was a
backstage decision, kept secret from the community - shouldn't be in
the interest of the community to say if going back to the roots
(merging into SER) is something wanted or not? it somehow
contradicts the self existence of OpenSER, right?
3) the benefits you mentions are mainly optimization of the internal
project activities and not optimizations of the outcome - what the
project will deliver. And I guess this is the most important. We
already went though the experience of large devel community,
frameworks, etc but with no outcome for more than 2 years...
Bogdan,
Thanks for your feedback, which clearly indicates where you stand
today. We will have to see what the community says, but so far, I've
only seen cheers and applauds.
How this will work out in the future is something no one really can
guess at this point. The more people that joins this effort and forms
it, the better. The time to make it right is now, by working together
and aligning the codebases as described, then working towards the
future with new releases.
We'll see if the combined forces can produce any deliverys or not.
Today, we can only hope and guess.
I think it's a great starting point that they have started talking,
and agreed to work together on some parts. To me, it seems to be room
for two final products stil, sharing the same core. One Kamailio and
one SER.
After the developer meetings, I think it's time to call for a joint
community meeting to have people active in the community - not only
developers - in the same room, discussing benefits of working together.
I don't want to argue your standpoint, just hope that you will follow
the progress and see if there's some benefits for OpenSIPS to join at
some stage. Regardless, the GPL license allows you to benefit from the
work as always.
I might be naive, but I do have a positive feeling about this :-)
/O
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users(a)lists.kamailio.org
http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
From my personal perspective, the new project
looks more like SER
absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the
resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to
have an open source project (a standalone one), far away from the
"control" of any Big Brother ;)
7:53 p.m.
Hello,
On 11/04/08 19:28, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Thank you Olle,
I think your positive note is very encouraging.
I'm similarly concerned about the actual outcome -- planning and striving
for it is one thing, executing it yet another thing on our busy to-do-lists.
developing the features we will get to by this integration would have
been taken lot more time than doing in this way. Also, later would have
meant more time lost with integration. So yes, it will be work to do,
but everybody will benefit from it.
Nevertheless the willingness to work hard on it is
very tangible
and I really consider it realistic. And I'm willing to bet on its
success too :)
I do, too. The positive feedback we got from developers (before going to
public, so no conspiracy :-) ) and from our users shows we are on the
right direction.
In my opinion, (for me) coding is the easiest in open source. You get
your pizza, vim, gcc and gdb (folks, don't get it literary!!!) ... but
that is not enough. If we got here, then it is because everyone wants to
do things better and are committed to.
Cheers,
Daniel
I would very much discount conspiracy, absorption and
other discouraging
and ungrounded concerns. In fact, if there is something which appears hard
to follow, why Bogdan forked off SER with many strong arguments to openser,
and now forked off from his openser to opensips with arguments remarkably
similar to the former.
"Serial forking" is not the kind of business I'm interested here at all.
In fact, I think forking is a VERY BAD THING to do and I'm very strongly
opposed to attempts discouraging unforking and encouraging other forks.
More funded opinions than mine can be for example found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29
Therefore thanks again to anyone putting effort on unforking!
-jiri
Johansson Olle E wrote:
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http://www.asipto.com
4 nov 2008 kl. 16.24 skrev Bogdan-Andrei Iancu:
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Hi Olle,
Thank you for your thoughts. On a first view, it looks interesting,
but I'm missing some points here (important points):
1) as OpenSER was forked from SER because different views (and the
OpenSER view proved to be a very popular and successful one), I
wonder why, Kamilio is getting back to SER? not sharing any more the
OpenSER view as claimed? because such merging will definitely have a
great impact on the dynamical and openness of the projects (like
releases, contributions, driving the project)
2) this major change of perspective (at least for kamilio) was a
backstage decision, kept secret from the community - shouldn't be in
the interest of the community to say if going back to the roots
(merging into SER) is something wanted or not? it somehow
contradicts the self existence of OpenSER, right?
3) the benefits you mentions are mainly optimization of the internal
project activities and not optimizations of the outcome - what the
project will deliver. And I guess this is the most important. We
already went though the experience of large devel community,
frameworks, etc but with no outcome for more than 2 years...
Bogdan,
Thanks for your feedback, which clearly indicates where you stand
today. We will have to see what the community says, but so far, I've
only seen cheers and applauds.
How this will work out in the future is something no one really can
guess at this point. The more people that joins this effort and forms
it, the better. The time to make it right is now, by working together
and aligning the codebases as described, then working towards the
future with new releases.
We'll see if the combined forces can produce any deliverys or not.
Today, we can only hope and guess.
I think it's a great starting point that they have started talking,
and agreed to work together on some parts. To me, it seems to be room
for two final products stil, sharing the same core. One Kamailio and
one SER.
After the developer meetings, I think it's time to call for a joint
community meeting to have people active in the community - not only
developers - in the same room, discussing benefits of working together.
I don't want to argue your standpoint, just hope that you will follow
the progress and see if there's some benefits for OpenSIPS to join at
some stage. Regardless, the GPL license allows you to benefit from the
work as always.
I might be naive, but I do have a positive feeling about this :-)
/O
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users(a)lists.kamailio.org
http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
From my personal perspective, the new project
looks more like SER
absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to
have an open source project (a standalone one), far away from the
"control" of any Big Brother ;)
5 Nov
5 Nov
12:45 p.m.
Hi Jiri,
Have you ever consider a fork as an option driven by technical needs?? Like to do
something totally different than you have and than the other people want to do.
After 7 year of SER/OpenSER I (and many other) got to simplest conclusion that the current
design is not able to sustain the progress
of SER / OpenSER (like scripting, async calls, integration, scaling, etc) ? Mainly because
SER was design 7 years ago when there was only
stateless processing, no TCP, etc....
And I personally do not see any future in keep trying to patch the existing design as it
has no future. If SER and kamilio want to go on
this path, fine with me, not my problem, happy for your joined effort.
But not point in black the idea of somebody forking into a different direction than yours
- nature invented forking for seeking new alternatives!
I like the go for new alternatives instead of blocking into a dead-end.
Regards,
Bogdan
Jiri Kuthan wrote:
"Serial forking" is not the kind of business I'm interested here at all.
In fact, I think forking is a VERY BAD THING to do and I'm very strongly
opposed to attempts discouraging unforking and encouraging other forks.
More funded opinions than mine can be for example found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29
Therefore thanks again to anyone putting effort on unforking!
6 Nov
6 Nov
1:57 p.m.
Jiri Kuthan wrote:
I would very much discount conspiracy, absorption and
other discouraging
and ungrounded concerns.
Considering you came with the same merging proposal to me
(to merge
opensips into ser), I can say I have a better understanding of what is
going on.
Also, considering the huge unbalance between SER and Kamailio (like
resources, man power, skills), the SER's inflexibility when comes to
external driven changes (as part of Tekelec internal agenda) and the
major differences between the core+TM code from the two projects
(process management, external interfaces, scripting language, etc) I
made a feet-on-the-ground analysis of what will possible result from
this merging and expressed my concerns - these concerns are for the
technical side (like befits to the end-user), as on the political side,
it is 100% clear the win-win situation.
If they are true or not, you can argue or let the future decide.
In fact, if there is something which appears hard
to follow, why Bogdan forked off SER with many strong arguments to
openser,
and now forked off from his openser to opensips with arguments remarkably
similar to the former.
Not so hard to follow, but almost predictable as my goals
never changed.
I moved out of SER when it didn;t provide the proper environment for
project development and carried on with OpenSER which was a huge
success. Again, when OpenSER stopped being a project to evolve, I
carried on with OpenSIPS following the same goals.
You may crucify or demonize me for this, but for me it is important to
be able to deliver the software I'm working on.
"Serial forking" is not the kind of business I'm interested here at all.
In fact, I think forking is a VERY BAD THING to do and I'm very strongly
opposed to attempts discouraging unforking and encouraging other forks.
More funded opinions than mine can be for example found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29
Of course you strongly
opposed to any other alternative/competition to
SER....it is not so difficult to guess to be honest.
Bogdan
4 Nov
4 Nov
11:05 a.m.
In Hoc Signo Vinces!
C.
Daniel-Constantin Mierla ha scritto:
Hello Everybody,
We are pleased to announce to you the SIP Router project.
It aims to build a solid open source SIP routing platform, based on
collaboration of the SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) teams.
Developers of these two projects believe that an united and
non-conflicting environment will bring many benefits to them, community
members and companies:
* bring together the developers and user communities of both projects
* reduce maintenance overhead
* avoid duplicated efforts in development
* develop a core framework that is flexible, extensible and scalable
* promote and build a solid open source SIP server project
* ensure business credibility
* make future forking undesirable, this harms everybody, affects
credibility and business
You are welcome to join! Visit the web site at:
http://sip-router.org
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov 10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
We hope this is a great news for you, thanks to the effort of main
developers and management teams of the two projects. We invite you to
join the new mailing list for further discussions:
http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-dev
Daniel, Jiri
Kamailio Management Team
SER Management Team
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Users mailing list
Users(a)lists.kamailio.org
http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
11:35 a.m.
New subject: [Kamailio-Users] [Kamailio-Devel] the sip router project
Congratulations to everyone who participated in the reunion ;)
Good movement guys!
Samuel
2008/11/4 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda(a)gmail.com>
Hello Everybody,
We are pleased to announce to you the SIP Router project.
It aims to build a solid open source SIP routing platform, based on
collaboration of the SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) teams.
Developers of these two projects believe that an united and
non-conflicting environment will bring many benefits to them, community
members and companies:
* bring together the developers and user communities of both projects
* reduce maintenance overhead
* avoid duplicated efforts in development
* develop a core framework that is flexible, extensible and scalable
* promote and build a solid open source SIP server project
* ensure business credibility
* make future forking undesirable, this harms everybody, affects
credibility and business
You are welcome to join! Visit the web site at:
http://sip-router.org
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov 10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
We hope this is a great news for you, thanks to the effort of main
developers and management teams of the two projects. We invite you to
join the new mailing list for further discussions:
http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-dev
Daniel, Jiri
Kamailio Management Team
SER Management Team
_______________________________________________
Devel mailing list
Devel(a)lists.kamailio.org
http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel
1:05 p.m.
Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We hope this is a great news for you, thanks to the
effort of main
developers and management teams of the two projects. We invite you to
Whoa, this indeed is great news. Many thanks and congratulations to
everyone involved. It sounds like a lot of work but what's important
is that there's a solid plan afoot.
Anyone know of a similar story of two free software projects coming
back together after a long time _significant_ fork? I don't. :-)
--
"the lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne."
-- Chaucer.
5:18 p.m.
Hello All!
2008/11/4, Sajith T S <sajith(a)gmail.com>om>:
Anyone know of a similar story of two free software
projects coming
back together after a long time _significant_ fork? I don't. :-)
Sutuation with compiz and beryl sounds very similar. However they
weren't divided so long.
--
With best regards!
5:05 p.m.
New subject: [Kamailio-Users] [Kamailio-Devel] the sip router project
Hello All!
2008/11/4, Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda(a)gmail.com>om>:
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov 10,
2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
Please make announces about such events earlier.
It takes about 7 working days to make a EU visa in Russia, and if
some russian fellow (not me, in particular) interested in visiting
this meeting, he definitely would like to know exact dates in two
weeks before the event.
We hope this is a great news for you
Great news, indeed!
--
With best regards!
5:13 p.m.
New subject: [Kamailio-Users] [Kamailio-Devel] the sip router project
Hello,
On 11/04/08 17:05, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
Hello All!
2008/11/4, Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda(a)gmail.com>om>:
I apologize for this short term, indeed. It was practically impossible
to find a better day, due to travelings and IETF in the middle. It is
why we tried to announced as soon as possible once the date was clear.
Sometimes we just have to do it to happen, also not all devels can make
it, even they are EU.
There will be further meetings, this is the kick start, I am looking
forward for the first release including all features from both projects,
a solid and performant core -- that could be a good party meeting...
Cheers,
Daniel
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov
10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
Please make announces about such events earlier.
It takes about 7 working days to make a EU visa in
Russia, and if
some russian fellow (not me, in particular) interested in visiting
this meeting, he definitely would like to know exact dates in two
weeks before the event.
--
Daniel-Constantin Mierla
http://www.asipto.com
We hope this is a great news for you
Great news, indeed!
5:25 p.m.
New subject: [Kamailio-Users] [Serusers] [Kamailio-Devel] the sip router project
Peter Lemenkov wrote:
Hello All!
2008/11/4, Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda(a)gmail.com>om>:
I take my part of the blame as well -- it is a desire to progress in
combination with (un)availability of many folks who have been preparing
this. We are intending to follow the IETF model in that meetings are
good for speeding up, but whatever comes out of it will be shared with
the mailing list.
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov
10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
Please make announces about such events earlier.
It takes about 7 working days to make a EU visa in Russia, and if
some russian fellow (not me, in particular) interested in visiting
this meeting, he definitely would like to know exact dates in two
weeks before the event.
Thank you, we got lot of private feedback too and it has been
encouragingly positive.
-jiri
We hope this is a great news for you
Great news, indeed! 
5 Nov
5 Nov
10:32 a.m.
New subject: [Kamailio-Users] [Serdev] [Serusers] [Kamailio-Devel] the sip router project
Hi Guys!
This is great news! I think I'm not the onlyone who's been hopeing for a
merge since the day the split became public.
- Atle
Who's rather suppriced today, since he has'nt checked his email in 5
days..
* Jiri Kuthan <jiri(a)iptel.org> [081104 16:25]:
Peter Lemenkov wrote:
Hello All!
2008/11/4, Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda(a)gmail.com>om>:
I take my part of the blame as well -- it is a desire to progress in
combination with (un)availability of many folks who have been preparing
this. We are intending to follow the IETF model in that meetings are
good for speeding up, but whatever comes out of it will be shared with
the mailing list.
There is a meeting in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Nov
10, 2008, hosted by
1&1, where the developers and community members have the chance to
discuss and tune the last aspects of the new project. We are looking to
see many of you there:
http://sip-router.org/index.php/meeting/
Please make announces about such events earlier.
It takes about 7 working days to make a EU visa in Russia, and if
some russian fellow (not me, in particular) interested in visiting
this meeting, he definitely would like to know exact dates in two
weeks before the event.
Thank you, we got lot of private feedback too and it has been
encouragingly positive.
-jiri
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Serdev(a)lists.iptel.org
http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev We hope this is a great news for you
Great news, indeed!
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Daniel-Constantin Mierla -
hh174 -
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Sajith T S -
samuel