Excellent news. Thanks for the feedback. Overall, and please don't take this negatively, I think documentation for SER is difficult for beginners, so if we have to go through the learning curve anyway, we might as well do it in the newer version.
Thanks again
On Tue, May 8, 2007 5:04 pm, SIP sip@arcdiv.com said:
For all intents and purposes, SER 2.0 (the new one) is ready for use. The only thing it's really waiting on to be 'stable' is some better documentation. However, it's best, if you're just getting started, to deploy with the new version and maybe muddle your way through a bit until documentation is complete.
N.
lists@infoway.net wrote:
We are planning on deploying a couple of SER servers and integrate them with either SEMS or Asterisk for voicemail. However, we are a bit confused as to which version of SER to go with? From what we can tell, the latest stable version is 0.9.6. However, we know of the new 0.10.X version. Reading up on the site, there is some documentation that explains a little bit of the differences and/or migration recommendations/steps.
So, in an effort to keep life as simple as possible, which version should we work with? We are afraid that if we go through a learning cycle with 0.9.6 we're going to "suffer" when migrating to the new version, either because of the learning curve or because of a potential painful migration process.
Any recommendations?
Thanks
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Oh don't worry. I won't take it the wrong way. I'll be the first to tell you that the documentation for SER is pretty close to unusable. But unfortunately, that's the way most open source projects are. You have all these coding geniuses building them, and all these systems geniuses testing them... and not a single one of them remembers how to convey information to the rest of us. ;)
What the project lacks is a full-time technical writer -- someone whose job it is is to corner the developers and ask them what all of this stuff means (in intricate detail) and not let them go until they've fully explained all of it. Then he/she can take that information and translate it into something human beings can understand.
This is one reason why good technical writers are expensive, and the primary reason that most companies and projects 'make do' with whatever they can find.
If you know any good technical writers who might be willing to fly off to Europe and ply some of the SER team with beer enough to get them talking, we could most certainly use it. I'll pay for the beer. ;)
N.
lists@infoway.net wrote:
Excellent news. Thanks for the feedback. Overall, and please don't take this negatively, I think documentation for SER is difficult for beginners, so if we have to go through the learning curve anyway, we might as well do it in the newer version.
Thanks again
On Tue, May 8, 2007 5:04 pm, SIP sip@arcdiv.com said:
For all intents and purposes, SER 2.0 (the new one) is ready for use. The only thing it's really waiting on to be 'stable' is some better documentation. However, it's best, if you're just getting started, to deploy with the new version and maybe muddle your way through a bit until documentation is complete.
N.
lists@infoway.net wrote:
We are planning on deploying a couple of SER servers and integrate them with either SEMS or Asterisk for voicemail. However, we are a bit confused as to which version of SER to go with? From what we can tell, the latest stable version is 0.9.6. However, we know of the new 0.10.X version. Reading up on the site, there is some documentation that explains a little bit of the differences and/or migration recommendations/steps.
So, in an effort to keep life as simple as possible, which version should we work with? We are afraid that if we go through a learning cycle with 0.9.6 we're going to "suffer" when migrating to the new version, either because of the learning curve or because of a potential painful migration process.
Any recommendations?
Thanks
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
heh heh, as iptel.org is an open-source project, we need a sponsor to pay for a technical writer if we want one. Iptego did that for SEMS documentation, but we don't have a documentation sponsor for SER. I'm afraid paid beer does not bring us far...
So, we will have to cope with the volunteers we have. An advanced user, like you, is as good a writer as anyone, so if you want to put your keyboard fingers where your mouth is ;-), you are very welcome to sign up as a volunteer on either of our three current documentation efforts: 1. Migration guide (editor: Simon Miles) 2. Reference guide (editor: yours truly) 3. SER - Getting Started (editor: ?)
I'm in the process of coordinating the table of contents with Simon, but here's an attempted outline: http://www.iptel.org/suggestion_for_outline_of_new_ser_reference_manual
Feel free to sign up for any chapter or maybe editor of the Getting Started guide?! g-)
SIP wrote:
Oh don't worry. I won't take it the wrong way. I'll be the first to tell you that the documentation for SER is pretty close to unusable. But unfortunately, that's the way most open source projects are. You have all these coding geniuses building them, and all these systems geniuses testing them... and not a single one of them remembers how to convey information to the rest of us. ;)
What the project lacks is a full-time technical writer -- someone whose job it is is to corner the developers and ask them what all of this stuff means (in intricate detail) and not let them go until they've fully explained all of it. Then he/she can take that information and translate it into something human beings can understand.
This is one reason why good technical writers are expensive, and the primary reason that most companies and projects 'make do' with whatever they can find.
If you know any good technical writers who might be willing to fly off to Europe and ply some of the SER team with beer enough to get them talking, we could most certainly use it. I'll pay for the beer. ;)
N.
lists@infoway.net wrote:
Excellent news. Thanks for the feedback. Overall, and please don't take this negatively, I think documentation for SER is difficult for beginners, so if we have to go through the learning curve anyway, we might as well do it in the newer version.
Thanks again
On Tue, May 8, 2007 5:04 pm, SIP sip@arcdiv.com said:
For all intents and purposes, SER 2.0 (the new one) is ready for use. The only thing it's really waiting on to be 'stable' is some better documentation. However, it's best, if you're just getting started, to deploy with the new version and maybe muddle your way through a bit until documentation is complete.
N.
lists@infoway.net wrote:
We are planning on deploying a couple of SER servers and integrate them with either SEMS or Asterisk for voicemail. However, we are a bit confused as to which version of SER to go with? From what we can tell, the latest stable version is 0.9.6. However, we know of the new 0.10.X version. Reading up on the site, there is some documentation that explains a little bit of the differences and/or migration recommendations/steps.
So, in an effort to keep life as simple as possible, which version should we work with? We are afraid that if we go through a learning cycle with 0.9.6 we're going to "suffer" when migrating to the new version, either because of the learning curve or because of a potential painful migration process.
Any recommendations?
Thanks
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
SER - Getting Started, http://www.iptel.org/ser/doc/gettingstarted, is still the best starting point for beginners. It's in the process of being revised. Check out the new buildsystem, http://www.iptel.org/ser/doc/buildsystem, to generate a very simple hello world file. Also, the etc directory of the source code contains a ser.cfg example file with lots of features, as well as a ser_basic.cfg (similar alternative to helloworld). g-)
lists@infoway.net wrote:
Excellent news. Thanks for the feedback. Overall, and please don't take this negatively, I think documentation for SER is difficult for beginners, so if we have to go through the learning curve anyway, we might as well do it in the newer version.
Thanks again
On Tue, May 8, 2007 5:04 pm, SIP sip@arcdiv.com said:
For all intents and purposes, SER 2.0 (the new one) is ready for use. The only thing it's really waiting on to be 'stable' is some better documentation. However, it's best, if you're just getting started, to deploy with the new version and maybe muddle your way through a bit until documentation is complete.
N.
lists@infoway.net wrote:
We are planning on deploying a couple of SER servers and integrate them with either SEMS or Asterisk for voicemail. However, we are a bit confused as to which version of SER to go with? From what we can tell, the latest stable version is 0.9.6. However, we know of the new 0.10.X version. Reading up on the site, there is some documentation that explains a little bit of the differences and/or migration recommendations/steps.
So, in an effort to keep life as simple as possible, which version should we work with? We are afraid that if we go through a learning cycle with 0.9.6 we're going to "suffer" when migrating to the new version, either because of the learning curve or because of a potential painful migration process.
Any recommendations?
Thanks
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
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