hi, all Can't we go for development of Basic Billing solution in OPEN Source with SER only .. I mean we can make Billing Model ready and can go ahead with the same. Does anyone find any issue in same ... ? I think if we can do this .. it will be very helpful for many people .... Please let me know
Regards Manoj Ghag
Iqbal iqbal@gigo.co.uk wrote:
Hi
The reason why no one is really discussing much about billing here as open source is that most have rolled there own.
serweb is a good starting point, but it is not a rating engine, it will just work out how long the call is.
1. Now when you have this length of call you need to work out how much its cost you, and how much it cost the end user...
2. For this you need to create a rates table or database
3. What I have is a prefix table which has 1800+ prefixes each one of these is bound to a gateway, and hence can be routed out differently, when required
4. I then have a cost table, this is what my buying price is
5. I then have a selling price table
6. For resellers we are building a drill down structure where they have there buying price and selling price
7. Now you need a rating structure
8. You may have a different price based on time of day and day of week etc etc
9. So now you have price per prefix, based on time of day and day of week
10. You see when call is made you do the maths and work out the cost to you , and cost to customers, if the former is lesser than the latter ur making money :-), at a gross level, if not, bad business model :-)
12. Different types of cutomers may get charged differently, i.e large corporates should always pay more, hence your price may also vary based on customer_type
13. Now if its postpaid you need to also do a bill run once a month, convert to pdf, and email out, just to make things easy, and then link to your legacy accounting system..
So you see everyone will have something slightly different, but I hope the above steps may help
Iqbal
On 5/21/2005, "Ollie Gejevski" wrote:
Hey guys, I notice quite a few people are looking for a Billing solution. Please contact me as I can help. We already have few companies from this board use our solution with great success. We are Cisco as well as SIP server ( SER, SNOM ) compatible. Check out our website HYPERLINK "http://www.cyneric.com%22www.cyneric.com Please contact me HYPERLINK "mailto:ollie.g@cyneric.com"ollie.g@cyneric.com for more information. All the best
Ollie
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I would be willing to contribute if someone can start a project on open source billing for SER.
Deepak Singhal
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hi, all Can't we go for development of Basic Billing solution in OPEN Source with SER only .. I mean we can make Billing Model ready and can go ahead with the same. Does anyone find any issue in same ... ? I think if we can do this .. it will be very helpful for many people .... Please let me know
Regards Manoj Ghag
Iqbal iqbal@gigo.co.uk wrote:
Hi The reason why no one is really discussing much about billing here as open source is that most have rolled there own. serweb is a good starting point, but it is not a rating engine, it will just work out how long the call is. 1. Now when you have this length of call you need to work out how much its cost you, and how much it cost the end user... 2. For this you need to create a rates table or database 3. What I have is a prefix table which has 1800+ prefixes each one of these is bound to a gateway, and hence can be routed out differently, when required 4. I then have a cost table, this is what my buying price is 5. I then have a selling price table 6. For resellers we are building a drill down structure where they have there buying price and selling price 7. Now you need a rating structure 8. You may have a different price based on time of day and day of week etc etc 9. So now you have price per prefix, based on time of day and day of week 10. You see when call is made you do the maths and work out the cost to you , and cost to customers, if the former is lesser than the latter ur making money :-), at a gross level, if not, bad business model :-) 12. Different types of cutomers may get charged differently, i.e large corporates should always pay more, hence your price may also vary based on customer_type 13. Now if its postpaid you need to also do a bill run once a month, convert to pdf, and email out, just to make things easy, and then link to your legacy accounting system.. So you see everyone will have something slightly different, but I hope the above steps may help Iqbal On 5/21/2005, "Ollie Gejevski" wrote: >Hey guys, >I notice qu ite a few people are looking for a Billing solution. Please >contact me as I can help. We already have few companies from this board use >our solution with great success. We are Cisco as well as SIP server ( >SER, SNOM ) compatible. Check out our website HYPERLINK >"http://www.cyneric.com%22www.cyneric.com Please contact me HYPERLINK >"mailto:ollie.g@cyneric.com"ollie.g@cyneric.com for more information. All >the best > >Ollie > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/2005 > > > _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
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Hi, i would like to setup SER for routing telecom minutes (softswitch), and looking for someone who have got indepth knowledge of SER and SIP protocol, anyone interested in offering services for the same?
W/rgs Shailesh Tyagi
On 5/26/05, Deepak Singhal dsinghal@hotwireindia.com wrote:
I would be willing to contribute if someone can start a project on open source billing for SER.
Deepak Singhal
From: serusers-bounces@iptel.org [mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] On Behalf Of Manoj Ghag Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:12 PM To: serusers@lists.iptel.org; iqbal@gigo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Serusers] VoIp Billing Solution SIP server compatible!!!
hi, all Can't we go for development of Basic Billing solution in OPEN Source with SER only .. I mean we can make Billing Model ready and can go ahead with the same. Does anyone find any issue in same ... ? I think if we can do this .. it will be very helpful for many people .... Please let me know
Regards Manoj Ghag
Iqbal iqbal@gigo.co.uk wrote:
Hi The reason why no one is really discussing much about billing hereas open source is that most have rolled there own.
serweb is a good starting point, but it is not a rating engine, itwill just work out how long the call is.
1. Now when you have this length of call you need to work out howmuch its cost you, and how much it cost the end user...
2. For this you need to create a rates table or database 3. What I have is a prefix table which has 1800+ prefixes each oneof these is bound to a gateway, and hence can be routed out differently, when required
4. I then have a cost table, this is what my buying price is 5. I then have a selling price table 6. For resellers we are building a drill down structure where theyhave there buying price and selling price
7. Now you need a rating structure 8. You may have a different price based on time of day and day ofweek etc etc
9. So now you have price per prefix, based on time of day and day ofweek
10. You see when call is made you do the maths and work out the costto you , and cost to customers, if the former is lesser than the latter ur making money :-), at a gross level, if not, bad business model :-)
12. Different types of cutomers may get charged differently, i.elarge corporates should always pay more, hence your price may also vary based on customer_type
13. Now if its postpaid you need to also do a bill run once a month, convert to pdf, and email out, just to make things easy, and thenlink to your legacy accounting system..
So you see everyone will have something slightly different, but Ihope the above steps may help
Iqbal On 5/21/2005, "Ollie Gejevski" wrote: >Hey guys, >I notice qu ite a few people are looking for a Billing solution.Please >contact me as I can help. We already have few companies from this board use >our solution with great success. We are Cisco as well as SIP server ( >SER, SNOM ) compatible. Check out our website HYPERLINK >"http://www.cyneric.com%22www.cyneric.com Please contact me HYPERLINK >"mailto:ollie.g@cyneric.com"ollie.g@cyneric.com for more information. All >the best > >Ollie > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/2005 > > >
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Shailesh,
If you're looking for commercial support in setting up SER, we can help. Send me an email off list describing what you're trying to achieve, and I'd be delighted to discuss this with you.
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Shailesh Tyagi wrote:
Hi, i would like to setup SER for routing telecom minutes (softswitch), and looking for someone who have got indepth knowledge of SER and SIP protocol, anyone interested in offering services for the same?
W/rgs Shailesh Tyagi
On 5/26/05, Deepak Singhal dsinghal@hotwireindia.com wrote:
I would be willing to contribute if someone can start a project on open source billing for SER.
Deepak Singhal
From: serusers-bounces@iptel.org [mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] On Behalf Of Manoj Ghag Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:12 PM To: serusers@lists.iptel.org; iqbal@gigo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Serusers] VoIp Billing Solution SIP server compatible!!!
hi, all Can't we go for development of Basic Billing solution in OPEN Source with SER only .. I mean we can make Billing Model ready and can go ahead with the same. Does anyone find any issue in same ... ? I think if we can do this .. it will be very helpful for many people .... Please let me know
Regards Manoj Ghag
Iqbal iqbal@gigo.co.uk wrote:
Hi The reason why no one is really discussing much about billing hereas open source is that most have rolled there own.
serweb is a good starting point, but it is not a rating engine, itwill just work out how long the call is.
1. Now when you have this length of call you need to work out howmuch its cost you, and how much it cost the end user...
2. For this you need to create a rates table or database 3. What I have is a prefix table which has 1800+ prefixes each oneof these is bound to a gateway, and hence can be routed out differently, when required
4. I then have a cost table, this is what my buying price is 5. I then have a selling price table 6. For resellers we are building a drill down structure where theyhave there buying price and selling price
7. Now you need a rating structure 8. You may have a different price based on time of day and day ofweek etc etc
9. So now you have price per prefix, based on time of day and day ofweek
10. You see when call is made you do the maths and work out the costto you , and cost to customers, if the former is lesser than the latter ur making money :-), at a gross level, if not, bad business model :-)
12. Different types of cutomers may get charged differently, i.elarge corporates should always pay more, hence your price may also vary based on customer_type
13. Now if its postpaid you need to also do a bill run once a month, convert to pdf, and email out, just to make things easy, and thenlink to your legacy accounting system..
So you see everyone will have something slightly different, but Ihope the above steps may help
Iqbal On 5/21/2005, "Ollie Gejevski" wrote: >Hey guys, >I notice qu ite a few people are looking for a Billing solution.Please >contact me as I can help. We already have few companies from this board use >our solution with great success. We are Cisco as well as SIP server ( >SER, SNOM ) compatible. Check out our website HYPERLINK >"http://www.cyneric.com%22www.cyneric.com Please contact me HYPERLINK >"mailto:ollie.g@cyneric.com"ollie.g@cyneric.com for more information. All >the best > >Ollie > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/2005 > > >
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