David,

And that's exactly the point. That's why the board is there to decide on such issues, in my opinion.

But... Bogdan refused to comply with this decision (for whatever reason), and now Adrian accuses Henning to enforce things and to abuse his board position (or at least that's what one can read from the mailing lists). So there's something really wrong with the board, i guess.

Andreas

David Villasmil wrote:

Andreas,

 Just have a good look at this:

 http://lists.kamailio.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/014204.html

it then moves here: http://lists.kamailio.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/014372.html then here: http://lists.kamailio.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/014122.html then here: http://lists.kamailio.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/014456.html

I'd say both sides had their reasons, but one side never gave any explanation for why they were insisting on something that maybe could've been solve without much hassle. But both sides got too heated and this is the result of that -and I must say, a little selffish on both sides-

I'm really hoping both sides see their errors here, can work toghether again and do what we're all here to do, make the project move forward.

IMO, although it seems like Bodgan has founded reasons to be upset, in the end the local_route made its way into the release, even if it made it as an "experimental feature".

Have a good one all,

David.

P.S.: "Can't we all just get along?" hehe, just kidding

That thread is very illustrative.

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Andreas Granig <agranig@sipwise.com mailto:agranig@sipwise.com> wrote:

Guys,

I don't have any insights in what's going on on the board, but isn't the
board supposed to prevent that one single guy can make decisions which
influence the overall project like that?

Aren't you, Adrian, as a board member, supposed to stand up and take
your chance to speak out loud that something is going THAT wrong? And if
you did, and your voice wasn't heard due to this high S/N ratio because
of some discussions about some features or whatever, why didn't anybody
else on the board complain?

I'm just a little bit suspicious about one person pointing fingers at
somebody else on the board, when there are (supposed to be) a couple of
other parties who should represent the project, who didn't really
complain or didn't stand up by now to explain the whole situation that
is going on on the board?

Bogdan complained about being overruled by the board in different kind
of things (from a technical and from a management point of view), and
well, that happens in a project being lead by a couple of parties. But
what I really miss is the other side of the story, like why the
decisions where made as they were made. And the fact, that another board
member puts down his vote like that (demanding that another board member
quits) is not a sign of democracy. So maybe something is really going
wrong on the board?

Just my thoughts?
Andreas

Adrian Georgescu wrote:
 > Hello,
 >
 > Because of sheer incompetence and abuse conduct of one of the
recently
 > adopted board members I decided to put my activities as a management
 > board member of OpenSER/Kamailio project on hold.
 >
 > I will be able to resume my activities after the voluntary leave of
 > Henning Westerholt.
 >
 > For those who do not know who I am, I was involved with OpenSER from
 > Day 0 of its inception.
 >
 > Kind regards,
 > Adrian
 >
 >
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Hi David,

I do not have anything with any body - as stated in the original email, my main concern is the project itself and how it is managed - based on how things are going (board discussions), I see no future with the current way of managing the project.

not sure what poisoned back-stage rumours you heard, but I'm aware that truth is not convenient for all of us and dust in the eyes is a simply way to cover it.

Regards, Bogdan

David Villasmil wrote:

In any case, both Bodgan and Daniel SHOULD understand that this project's issues are more important than their own personals issues. They should behave like the prefessionals they are and overcome their private issues when talking project's issues.

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Andreas Granig <agranig@sipwise.com mailto:agranig@sipwise.com> wrote:

David,

And that's exactly the point. That's why the board is there to
decide on such issues, in my opinion.

But... Bogdan refused to comply with this decision (for whatever
reason), and now Adrian accuses Henning to enforce things and to
abuse his board position (or at least that's what one can read
from the mailing lists). So there's something really wrong with
the board, i guess.

Andreas

David Villasmil wrote:

    Andreas,

        Just have a good look at this:


    http://lists.kamailio.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/014204.html
    it then moves here:

    http://lists.kamailio.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/014372.html
    then here:

    http://lists.kamailio.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/014122.html
    then here:

    http://lists.kamailio.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/014456.html

    I'd say both sides had their reasons, but one side never gave
    any explanation for why they were insisting on something that
    maybe could've been solve without much hassle. But both sides
    got too heated and this is the result of that -and I must say,
    a little selffish on both sides-

    I'm really hoping both sides see their errors here, can work
    toghether again and do what we're all here to do, make the
    project move forward.

    IMO, although it seems like Bodgan has founded reasons to be
    upset, in the end the local_route made its way into the
    release, even if it made it as an "experimental feature".


    Have a good one all,

    David.

    P.S.: "Can't we all just get along?" hehe, just kidding


    That thread is very illustrative.

    On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Andreas Granig
    <agranig@sipwise.com <mailto:agranig@sipwise.com>
    <mailto:agranig@sipwise.com <mailto:agranig@sipwise.com>>> wrote:

       Guys,

       I don't have any insights in what's going on on the board,
    but isn't the
       board supposed to prevent that one single guy can make
    decisions which
       influence the overall project like that?

       Aren't you, Adrian, as a board member, supposed to stand up
    and take
       your chance to speak out loud that something is going THAT
    wrong? And if
       you did, and your voice wasn't heard due to this high S/N
    ratio because
       of some discussions about some features or whatever, why
    didn't anybody
       else on the board complain?

       I'm just a little bit suspicious about one person pointing
    fingers at
       somebody else on the board, when there are (supposed to be)
    a couple of
       other parties who should represent the project, who didn't
    really
       complain or didn't stand up by now to explain the whole
    situation that
       is going on on the board?

       Bogdan complained about being overruled by the board in
    different kind
       of things (from a technical and from a management point of
    view), and
       well, that happens in a project being lead by a couple of
    parties. But
       what I really miss is the other side of the story, like why the
       decisions where made as they were made. And the fact, that
    another board
       member puts down his vote like that (demanding that another
    board member
       quits) is not a sign of democracy. So maybe something is
    really going
       wrong on the board?

       Just my thoughts?
       Andreas

       Adrian Georgescu wrote:
        > Hello,
        >
        > Because of sheer incompetence and abuse conduct of one
    of the
       recently
        > adopted board members I decided to put my activities as
    a management
        > board member of OpenSER/Kamailio project on hold.
        >
        > I will be able to resume my activities after the
    voluntary leave of
        > Henning Westerholt.
        >
        > For those who do not know who I am, I was involved with
    OpenSER from
        > Day 0 of its inception.
        >
        > Kind regards,
        > Adrian
        >
        >

Hi David,

First of all leaving kamilio is not about local_route - more or less the decisions to stop some useful work based on some arguments with no technical values, the whole story with SVN (now is frozen, now it is not - decision taken by 3 people) where just the last drops to fill in the glass.

Based on the how the things were going in the last 10 month, I saw no future. I really do not want to wast 7 year work (on SER and openSER) just because other people like to do politics instead of technical work with the project. When I was wasting more effort with politics than with the development, it was clear that the current way of running the project is wrong.

And as a small note: local_route is not experimental in OpenSIPS - is it a first step in building more interesting feature. There were things fixed (there were quickly imported in kamilio :D), but what we have in 1.4.1 is the first version - work is still in progress for enhancing it.

Regards, Bogdan

David Villasmil wrote:

IMO, although it seems like Bodgan has founded reasons to be upset, in the end the local_route made its way into the release, even if it made it as an "experimental feature".

Have a good one all,

David.

P.S.: "Can't we all just get along?" hehe, just kidding

That thread is very illustrative.

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Andreas Granig <agranig@sipwise.com mailto:agranig@sipwise.com> wrote:

Guys,

I don't have any insights in what's going on on the board, but
isn't the
board supposed to prevent that one single guy can make decisions which
influence the overall project like that?

Aren't you, Adrian, as a board member, supposed to stand up and take
your chance to speak out loud that something is going THAT wrong?
And if
you did, and your voice wasn't heard due to this high S/N ratio
because
of some discussions about some features or whatever, why didn't
anybody
else on the board complain?

I'm just a little bit suspicious about one person pointing fingers at
somebody else on the board, when there are (supposed to be) a
couple of
other parties who should represent the project, who didn't really
complain or didn't stand up by now to explain the whole situation that
is going on on the board?

Bogdan complained about being overruled by the board in different kind
of things (from a technical and from a management point of view), and
well, that happens in a project being lead by a couple of parties. But
what I really miss is the other side of the story, like why the
decisions where made as they were made. And the fact, that another
board
member puts down his vote like that (demanding that another board
member
quits) is not a sign of democracy. So maybe something is really going
wrong on the board?

Just my thoughts?
Andreas

Adrian Georgescu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Because of sheer incompetence and abuse conduct of one of the
recently
> adopted board members I decided to put my activities as a management
> board member of OpenSER/Kamailio project on hold.
>
> I will be able to resume my activities after the voluntary leave of
> Henning Westerholt.
>
> For those who do not know who I am, I was involved with OpenSER from
> Day 0 of its inception.
>
> Kind regards,
> Adrian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users@lists.kamailio.org <mailto:Users@lists.kamailio.org>
> http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

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